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To anyone who is reading these reviews without having an already established position on the roles of men an women, I would strongly encourage you to read this book. It is a thurough hermeneuticly solid and Biblical exigisis of the numerous texts of Scripture that speak to this issue. Each chapter is written by a different NT Greek scholar and deals solely with one of the texts that lend information to the isssue of gender roles. the book is extremely scholarly written,and to my knowledge these has been no rebuttal written to it. It stands unchallenged. What saddens me however, is reading the various reviews on the book. PROOF-TEXTING (like quoting "there is neither male no female in Christ" without giving it's context and meaning) dishonors God's Word! I have failed to see any negative reviews that in any way engage the arguments of the book. NONE!! I only have read people who quote a verse on two out of context and then proceed to condiscendingly attack the complimentarian view as a whole. I would encourage any open minded readers to see through this type of propoganda and read the book for themselves
Lastly I would like to disprove the false argument proosed by many reviewers that equality and subservience are contradictory notions. Here Go's....
1. Jesus is fully God and completely equal with God and in no way inferior to Him (Phil 2:6)
2. Jesus is submissive (Luke 22:42) and obedient to God The Father, who is "Greater" (John 14:28)position and authority.
In this way, male and female genders and gender roles reflect the image of God. Within the trinity itself there is complete equality but yet their is a clear authority structure. God the Fathers sends His Son, and They in turn send the Holy Spirit. This proves that the concept of total equality and of subservience are not multuly exclusive.
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The thesis of this book is internally contradictory and, therefore, false.
Consider:
1. The Bible is true in all that it affirms. 2. Men and women are of equal value as human beings concerning essential human capacities. 3. God ordains men to be in authority over women crossculturally and perpetually.
These three proposition cannot all be true. If (2) is true, (3) cannot be true, since (3) would restrict women arbitrarily and thus show that they are not equal to men. If the Bible teaches both (2) and (3) to be true, the Bible itself would contain contradictions and could not be without error, thus contradicting (1).
Here, however, is a logically consistent set, which is also true.
1. The Bible is true in all that it affirms. 2. Men and women are of equal value as human beings concerning essential human capacities. 3. Therefore, women are not crossculturally and perpertually under the authority of men.
For much more on this, see the book "Good News for Women," especially chapters 2-3.
Douglas Groothuis
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I would have given this book no stars except that wasn't available. To be honest, I didn't read this book in its entirety nor do I have a copy of it. Therefore, I cannot quote from it.
As I stated, I didn't read this book completely (although I did skim through it). I couldn't. The first few paragraphs alone made me angry and disgusted. I did scan the book--looking for SOMETHING positive--but everything I read still had the same affect on me--anger, disgust, and most of all, deep sadness.
What I did see showed a major disrespect towards women (disclaimers not withstanding) AND Scripture with it's condescension, rigid attitude, logical fallacies, in-your-face sexist legalism, and overall faulty exegesis and hermeneutics. It especially surprises and saddens me because in other ways, Piper and Grudem are fine theologians. Piper especially, is wonderful in "Counted Righteous in Christ".
I also think it is important that people know that this book and this viewpoint are NOT the last word on gender issues in the church. I have often wondered why complementarians fail to address the issue of potentially, if not actually, discrediting the gospel with their beliefs. Even more frequently, complementarians make the error of assuming that equality is worldly whereas male domination is somehow godly. Especially inconsistent is the ontological equality yet functional subordination they espouse. The historical record likewise tells us that the viewpoint that men and women are equally valued as persons yet have differing roles is quite recent--Tertullian, among others, would certainly disagree with them. If complementarians are going to claim tradition to buttress their arguments, they need to review the words of some of the early church fathers just a little closer.
I would only recommend this book if 1) You already agree with the authors' stance on gender issues or 2) You are capable of absorbing a great deal of pain.
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Ah the joys of this Christian debate. I only want to mention a few things. First, read this book if you are (1) a seminary student, (2) a pastor dealing with this issue in your ministry, and (3) interested in a variety of well written articles on this debate. If you are looking for easy answers, this is not the book for you. Second, I took a class with Grudem in seminary on this particular issue, and suffice it to say I am still working on this issue. It is important to say here that he does truly care about women and that this book is an out growth of that concern. I don't think anything said in this book does otherwise (regardless if you disagree with the views presented). However, I would suggest that you would also read books on the other side of the issue. Even the four views book on this topic. Be informed of all the positions' points so that you truly sort out what is your stance.
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I had some great guffaws reading this book. It would be considered humorous except that the authors are serious.
They need to appeal to all sorts of types on their end of the spectrum, for example, one author gives a list of various job positions, but is careful to note that some may think they may not be suitable for women as they imply giving orders to a man. It is very sad that they really think this is the way God wants them to think. ... Just study BOTH sides of this issue, pray, and God will reveal that in Jesus there is neither male nor female, slave or free, Jew nor Greek.
The same types of arguments these guys use were used by slaveholders. One of the great themes of the Bible is liberation so EVERYONE can be everything they can be in Christ, and these guys just do not get it. Jesus said the workers are few and these guys say to divide by 2. This is just one reason why their understanding is self-limiting (tares) compared to the Biblical equality understanding (wheat).
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